GenQ - For the not so straight individual

queerplanet received many emails on this interview and wanted to know, when was the next part going to air? Well, the long wait has ended. Grab a chair and get to know more on the outspoken man. What's it like working as a producer, but Hollywood and actors only see you as a fashion stylist? Phillip talks about everything from love to human rights, the GLBT community in Hollywood, and his upcoming projects. Get ready for Phillip Bloch: Part Deux: Live and in Color.

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qp: What are some other projects you would like to work with, fashion, movies, or maybe produce?

PB: I have my regular stuff on VH1, and E! The Best of... and The 40 Most... and this and that on E! and VH1. They come on regularly now that there's a supermodel one on VH1 all the time. I do those every couple of weeks or so, but in the end of January, on the 21st I believe it is, I'm not sure of the exact date, at the very end like the ?20s? I have a new show starting on the ?WE? Network (that's Women's Entertainment) and it's called Style Me. It's with myself and Rachel Hunter and it's a reality show, you know, just with people that are trying to win and I'm one of the judges and one of the hosts. It's interesting. It's kind of fun and it's a style oriented show...

qp: So, regular people come out and you have to go in and transform them to something different?

PB: People are competing to win a prize and I can't get into all of it. We're not allowed to promote it yet...but reality shows they promote them really close to the time of.

qp: Ok.

PB: So, I can't talk to you much about it, but it is a reality show about style and fashion. It is Rachel Hunter and myself and her best friend, funny enough, who is not an actress or anything but she is really, really funny, Melissa, and it's the three of us and it's an eight-week show. The first show is an hour and all the rest of the shows are a half-hour, and the last show will be an hour.

qp: Oh, cool. I have to watch for it.

PB: It's really cool. I'm excited about it. It's fun. It's something different. I had been offered Queer Eye, and offered to be on America's Top Model and I turned down all these reality shows because I wanted to be a serious actor, and if I was going to do it I was going to be a serious actor like The Unseen. And I think in the last few years the industry has changed and that myth is gone [that] if you do reality, you can't be a serious actor. I think a lot of that is gone now. I think a lot of that ?old Hollywood? stuff is just gone. Those legendary kind, not legends, but the myths of Hollywood. If you do TV you can't do movies...all those boundaries are broken; it's just all gone now.

qp: Moving on to another topic, I heard you are a big supporter of charity work? Can you tell me some of the organizations you work with and why? Do you feel it's important to give back because you are well known?

PB: I feel like one of the best things about my position being known and stuff, on a more global basis, is that you can really make a difference, and I've always ... there was a movie called ?Julia? when I was a kid, and it was with Jane Fonda and Vanessa Redgrave and it's sort of about Lily Hellman's story. One was this writer and she was kind of superficial and lived a fabulous life - that was Jane Fonda - and then there was Vanessa Redgrave who was out fighting for the cause. I saw that movie and I didn't understand because I always felt like both of those people, you know? I was...a part of me was quite superficial and into fashion, and a part is the other person like out there for the cause, and fighting. So I love the ability now. I work with AIDS and raising funds for AIDS and children's AIDS. I do a lot of work with the visually impaired now. I work with the center. Once a year I try to go down to Atlanta to the center and work with them, and raise funds and whatever. A lot of times when we go and do different things they'll give us an honorarium that will get donated to the charity of our choice, so you know I try and keep those things in mind. And the civil rights movement, I'm a big fan of the civil rights movement and I work with the Birmingham museum, the Birmingham civil rights museum...

qp: I was there, yeah.

PB: Isn't it amazing?

qp: Yes, and humbling?

PB: It has got to be the most amazing museum in the world. I think everyone should take a tour.

qp: I was on the bus, because you know I just did an article on Rosa Parks because I'm sad about the whole thing. I feel like I wanna be Rosa Parks. What would I do if I was in that position? That was a huge thing to say ?No? to a white man, saying ?I'm not gonna move.? I always feel like working with the gay community, working with the black community, working with everything, the women, that you have to stand up for something and try to make a difference. One small thing can change everything and I just...I went to that museum and I was crying on that bus, because when my mother was young she couldn't drink at the same water fountain.

PB: The museum is like so amazing. Birmingham is ...and if you go to Selma, Selma has this tiny little museum. They just had the 40th anniversary of the March from Selma to Montgomery, so I went down and I helped a lot with that. I came down and I hosted the event, and I worked and I put a lot of time and energy into it. Unfortunately, the tsunami came along and a lot of people that were supposed to come on board and help us financially, once the tsunami happened were not, you know, coughing up the money for the 40th anniversary of the civil rights movement. Unfortunately, the money went to the tsunami, etc so...it was kind of disappointing, but, I think, the fight goes on and you have to fight the good fight as Martin Luther King said. I think that's my whole thing. I think it is hard to find a good man because I am in love with Martin Luther King...like mean something and stand for something, (laughs)

qp: Well, welcome to the club (laughs). No, I'm in love with Naomi Campbell but I can't have her (laughs). I love Naomi Campbell. How was it working with her? I have this hot thing for Naomi Campbell and Angelina Jolie, like if I can find a woman like that I'll be happy (laughs)..not in Chicago; I'll have to go to Europe. Every time I go to Europe I always find somebody, but in Chicago it's just like, not to say anything, but everybody here is butch. I mean it's like walking around here, the women are 5 feet 2 and nobody wants to look like themselves. Everybody's got really short, croppy hair and I like women who look like women. That's the point, you know? It's a hard thing for me.

PB: I think everybody now is all about muscles and, you know I like muscles, definitely like the muscles, but have some heart, have some soul. I just think a lot of the people now are just so brought down by the baggage, as opposed to someone like Martin Luther King who picked up the suitcases and moved them, you know what I mean? Everybody now is just weighed down by their baggage...

qp: Yeah, they are all waiting for someone else to do it, I think that is what it is.

PB: I guess so. I don't know what it is. I don't even think they are thinking about it. I think in the gay community a lot of it is just so ...not involved, I mean especially on the side of the brothers and the Latinos, etc. I think it is just so...and especially on the side of the guys...I think the women are just so much more involved than the guys are. The guys are going to the gym and getting pumped up and getting laid, and getting on the computer and all that stuff and I think they are so hung up in their family, their dramas of not coming out. I mean, they're so hung up on life on the DL... [Down Low: Term in the black community as not being out to family]

qp: Yeah, come out already. I think the black communities have always, like I said, been afraid, men especially, about losing that strength that black men are perceived as having.

PB: I have dated so many of those Southern, football playing, Morehouse...guys?

qp: Don't do it...macho city.

PB: It's just like, oh dude...

qp: It's a waste of time. I'm with you, people that are closeted...never date anyone who's just came out three months ago; they just go back in. It's horrible, just horrible, especially for the person that is out and open about who they are.

PB: Guys have this weird thing that if...it is very easy to, you know I think they're out in their day to day, but their families don't know so are they out? Are they in? If you start eliminating all that then you are really cutting down your choices. (laughs)

qp: Ok, another question and then any questions that you wish I'd asked? (laughs) Going into a little bit of the Hollywood glam, we talked about the movie and everything...Who were some of your favorite celebrities to make over?

PB: Well, I think that some of my favorites...Halle I have to honestly say, there is nothing like dressing Halle Berry, know what I mean?

qp: I think I do; she's gorgeous.

PB: She's gorgeous, the body is bangin?, she's sweet, she's generous, she's gentle, she's kind, it just doesn't get better than that as a wardrobe stylist. And dressing her to win her Oscar was just ...IT! It's a part of history. Every dress I have ever put on that woman has been memorable. Every dress that we did together is memorable. That's getting to paint the Mona Lisa; it just doesn't get a lot better than that. There's other versions...yeah, you can dress Nicole, you can dress, [others] but for me Halle was my epitome of what I find beautiful about a woman. So she'd have to be one of the favorites. Vivica obviously. She's everybody's homegirl. She's America's homegirl. She just someone I hang with; I respect her to the utmost. I just think she's a kind, gentle soul. Love Sandy Bullock and John Travolta - I think they are great people. John was just this very gentle man and just a true movie star. [He's] fun and enjoys life and really enjoys everything he has. He's a great, great guy. I think Sandy Bullock...I really love Sandy a lot, just very down to earth. My favorite people are the down to earth ones, the real ones. I have to say Sandra and John are in that...are definitely a part of that. They are very real people at the end of the day.

Who else do I really, really, really like? I like Mariah to a certain extent. She is not what everybody thinks. I love Nicole Kidman...

qp: I love Nicole Kidman too!

PB: ...she is not the ice princess everybody thought she was. I think she is very real and I really appreciate her. I really enjoy her. Renee Zellweger sweet, so sweet, just a little darlin?. She is just so thoughtful and considerate. Jessica Simpson is just more gorgeous than you could ever imagine, in person. I just think they should take all the makeup and sparkly gowns off and just let her be her. I love Jessica. I mean just, personal things that they have done over the years...Elizabeth Hurley, love Elizabeth Hurley, you know there were some of the neatest Adidas, that I wanted a couple of years ago with the snaps down the side so they didn't have them in America. So she went over to London and came back with two pairs of them for me, just remembered from the conversation and she saw them in the store and said ?Oh, didn't you want these?? You know? I mean like, just considerate, just real people. Annabella Sciorra is a very good friend of mine; I love Annabella. She's an actress at the end of the day, though, you know what I mean...all the insecurities, all the love, all the good things and the bad things that come with friends that are actresses which is part of it.

Let me think...who else do I really... Meg Ryan, I probably never laughed more with anyone in my life than with Meg Ryan. Just laugh, laugh, silly giggles, girl laughs, just laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh, my ... I mean for years I would say, really at the end of the day I would say my jaws would ache just from laughing with her... who stick in my head I love. I think Forrest Whittaker is great. I spent a lot of time with him and I just think he is amazing, really. I'm a big fan of Giancarlo Esposito, you know we worked [check] ...oh, and Carrie Washington. Giancarlo and Carrie Washington I love, we work with a group called the ?Creative Coalition," which we get to go to Washington and talk to the Senate and Congress, and try and get them to keep the money up for the arts and stuff. And I love Carrie, I just think she is a little angel and she just has the kindest spirit. Her mom is adorable; I love Carrie. And Giancarlo is a great family man. I really look forward to doing this project with him in the future coming up. Tim Jackson is another great guy and his wife LaTonya, I mean, just, working in Hollywood I have literally worked with everybody, I have met everybody over the years. I have been very blessed that most people are very kind and have been very sweet on that superficial Hollywood level, you know? How many of them would loan me a thousand bucks or give me the life preserver if the boat was sinking?

qp: That's when you're going to know, when another hurricane comes in or an earthquake, who's gonna come and check on you? Phillip, one more question (laughs). Have you ever thought about, I know you have this makeup/fashion thing, but have you thought about helping people with disabilities or self-image issues, doing some kind of project like that?

PB: I have worked a lot with women that have left abusive relationships and things like that. I do a lot of that, and again like I say, I work with the visually impaired kids, so much so... I thinks that's, you know...I think I try and do as much of that as I can because I feel like I lead such a blessed life. I am constantly given things. I'm in such a blessed life I think it's just important that you work with people that aren't, that don't have as much as we have. It's definitely something that's a passion for me and I try to do it as much as I can, on a basis. You know Sharon and Kelly Stone? Sharon and her sister Kelly have a charity; they do a lot of work. Every year at Christmas, I go down to the ?hood...I go down to the swap meet in the ?hood, I fill my pickup truck up with $2,000 of knapsacks and cloths and games and I always deliver so ?Planet Hope? is there, It's their charity. So Sharon and Kelly always have this big gift wrapping party every year, and so I bring my truck filled with stuff for the kids - bicycles and baseball bats and basketball. I just do as much as I can for 2,000 bucks down at the swap meet in the ?hood?.

qp: That's great, Phillip.

PB: You just gotta do what you can do. I mean, everybody has to do what they can do. I'm not Sandy Bullock or Jim Carrey; I don't have a million dollars to give to people in New Orleans, but you do what you can do on your financial level.

qp: Well, that's all right because if you can do it hands on, with the people who actually see you, to know where your money is going....you don't know where your money is going with our government today.

PB: My dream is to eventually, to be able to set up my own charities and my own organizations like that. I mean, it takes time and money and I don't have either of them. (Laughs)

qp: (laughs) Welcome to the club. (Secretly thinking, "Let's trade places.")

PB: I'm just a starving actor that is trying to make/produce/write stories and films that tell stories and create awareness. So I think that's part of, part of what my legacy hopefully will be, is telling these stories and communicating these things to people. I would love to be a deaf person; I think that would be amazing. I was up for a part a year ago and I didn't end up getting it. I knew the director - actually it was a Chicago director - and I wanted her to make the character deaf.

qp: Oh, I would love that because I support the whole deaf community. We need more films that speak to the deaf community.

PB: In the end the movie didn't end up getting made and blah blah blah, but I was fighting to have the character be made deaf, or at least, hearing impaired...learn sign language for the part.

qp: I can teach you.

PB: Didn't they just say that Roxy Brown was going deaf? They had an article on it in Chicago?

PB: Yeah, isn't that amazing?

qp: That's horrible.
 

PB: You know...Terminator...

qp: It is a controversy, you know, it's OK if you are straight or gay to play those roles, but from a gay man's perspective, maybe, it is something where you are limited to where they only see you as one thing and then maybe you want to get a part that might be meaty and then someone else is getting it, that kind of thing. I don't know, it's interesting.

PB: I feel like there is a Jennifer Aniston movie coming up where, no it's Kate Hudson ..I don't know, whatever, it's one of those girls that's playing a magazine editor and all the guys...again, they are just casting straight guys in gay parts and it is not fair. It is very hard. It is very hard for a gay guy to get a straight part .

qp: When are you going to start? I mean they have the ?LOGO? Network now, they have ?!Here? They have LOGO in the Chicago area... a lot of people doing producing, gay production companies. Have you thought about going to those types of networks?

PB: Yeah, I would love to. I mean, I don't think that gays necessarily want 'gay' either. I mean it's hard. Lisa and I talked about that it the other day. None of the gay magazines have reported my career in the least, you know The Advocate? Have they ever come to me and offered to do a story on me? No. When I have been in Vogue and every other fashion magazine, but they haven't had the decency to ... I find it kind of amazing.

qp: I think that is bizarre and strange. I don't get it.

PB: It is really amazing. I was on TV before Ellen. I mean like, ?Hello.? I have been doing TV since I don't know - ?1997? 1996?' It's just weird. It is very, very weird.

qp: Has your publicist gone to them or they just said ?Oh, no??

PB: I would think it would be up to them to support. I don't think I should have to say ?Hey, I'm here, I'm queer, you wanna do a story on me?" I think that interestingly enough LOGO would be a great place, but, do they have the budget to do stuff? Do they have the budget to do great projects? I don't know anybody over there to go there and say ?Hey, I've got an idea for a show or a movie," or "Let's do this,?. It's all so nepotistic and 'relatives of the day'. It's either all based on who you know or who you blow, or what's going on that day..if the person was in a good mood or not. You know, you come in with your idea and they're like, ?nyeah nyeah nyeah?. I heard a great quote about Hollywood that is really true ?Everybody has the power to say ?No,? and very few people have the power to say ?Yes?. And that is a sad state of affairs. You know like things like, I could go into LOGO and say ?Hey, I'm Phillip Bloch and blah blah blah,? and they're like ?Oh, yeah, the world knows who you are. Let's develop something for you.? They would never do that! Well, not that they would never - it would be nice if they did - but chances are slim that they would 'cause I don't know anybody particularly over there who plays their game.

PB: And I just feel you just keep doing your thing and people will get on board when they are ready... well hopefully. I'm not going to be out there rallying people to get on board, unless it's what I'm saying. I'm going to do what I am doing, and hopefully people will get it.

qp: It's all you can do.

PB: It's all you can hope for. I'm just not going to waste my time trying to induct people when they should be able to get it themselves. I just want to create and express and hopefully people will understand or... It's not like I'm doing things that are so bizarre; I'm not some controversial artist. I said I'm trying to do [things] with civil rights, or tell this visually impaired man's story...it's just kinda doing those kind of things, and hopefully people will get it and support. If the gay community can't support itself... I think it's so interesting the gay community doesn't make sex symbols out of the gay community!

qp: And why not?

PB: I think it's kind of interesting when you think about it. There I was...I was a top model all this...you know... for years. I was in Italian Vogue, and all those shows and duh dah and I'm regularly on TV, you know they don't make...they are all ?Oooh and Aaah? over someone like a Ricky Martin who won't even honestly...

qp: mmmm, hmmmm

PB: You know what I mean? They don't, and like there is someone like Rupert Everett who is clearly out and do they...?

qp: I love Rupert...

PB: I think men are so unhappy with a lot of what is going on around their lives they can't...there was never made...they don't support themselves. They don't support within the community.

qp: Like a Jewish person. I work for a Jewish school, and they support everybody [Jewish]. You mean kinda like a thing with Black support and Jewish support and Gay people support kinda thing? That's shame. I think it goes into the shame thing. We still all think we're coming out, but still it's in the back of the corner.

PB: They're coming out as long as it doesn't cost anything (laughs).

qp: I mean, like, just look at ...what's the woman? I don't know...she had that show...oh, Rosie O'Donnell, I'm sorry, but she ... you quit your show THEN you come out. No, you should have came out before that, because that, to me, that says oh, you're done...you wrapped up and now you can move on. Now I can tell everybody...I don't know...that's just me.

PB: I love Rosie; I admire her. I admire Ellen. I think that they're the ?Rosa Parks? of the gay community.

qp: I love Ellen, Ellen I love.

PB: They are women...where's the guys? People like Carson, Carson is pretty supportive, but because he is blonde and very white, I mean I think that the 'gay white' community is supporting Carson because he's the poster child for it, sort of. Or ?cause I've always felt a bit like I don't fit in their mold? And that's ok.

qp: Maybe it's time for you to make your own production company .and make your own mold. You know sometimes if you can't see yourself, create it!

PB: That's what I'm doing, that's what I'm doing. And hopefully...can't we all just get along?

qp: Can't we all get along? (Laughing together.)

PB: I want their support; I'm just never going to beg. It's like I love to support, I would support anything I'm asked to in that arena, if possible, but I'm not going to beg people to support me and I'm not going to beg to be on their bus. I just think, it will come...things come at the right time.

qp: Ok, wow...I have to formulate all this information (laughs).

PB: You've got your work cut out for you.

I have got to give my homage to Diana Ross because I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for Diana Ross in Mahogany.

qp: You know, you are like a black man in a gay white body (laughs).

PB: (Laughs) I guess so.

qp: I'm just the opposite. (Laughs)

PB: I think everything is so mixed up now. I think it's what Annie says, you know, you can't judge someone by what they are wearing or how they are, it's what they are on the inside, it's who they are.

qp: I agree.

PB: Sammy was wiser than most people think.

qp: And that is what they are saying that he was least likely, they are saying he knows nothing, but he was the most real, open, honest and loving person.

PB: We start at a point of innocence in life and then we develop all the other crap around it and Sammy just stayed with the innocence. He didn't get out there in the world and see all the other stuff.

qp: Yeah, my favorite part is literally, when he is climbing out the window and it takes him forever, because he still doesn't know how far the landing is.

PB: What floor he lives on, he doesn't know the difference between being on the first floor or being on the ground and he didn't know. If you have never seen it you wouldn't know it. If you are not allowed out of the house you don't know what that is?

qp: Exactly, like leaving your neighborhood.

PB: It is very deep and not that deep at all. I mean, if you've never seen a first floor, second floor, third floor, you just know that ?I can't touch the ground, how do I get down?? How high up is ?high up? if you don't know what ?high up? is? We learn because we see. Seeing is almost a disadvantage sometimes.

qp: Seeing and hearing in some cases too. Before you leave, I have to ask this question for the members of queerplanet. What was it like working with Gale Harold and Michelle Clunie? We have avid fans here. My favorite was Catherine Dent ?Ms. Lucille.? Can I just say I loved Lucille's wardrobe choices?

PB: I have worked with Michelle and Gale both, several times as a stylist. I had styled a lot of the photo shoots for Queer as Folk. I had done a lot of the PR photos for a lot of years, like all the stuff you see on the front of the buses, and the magazine ads ... and I had styled them so I had known them before that. So, it was interesting and Katherine Dent as well from The Shield?

qp: Oh, she's hot.

PB: (laughs) She's actually been a great, supportive friend through this all also. Anyway, so Gale and Michelle...it was kind of interesting when the casting of the movie came out. I stayed very out of the casting of the movie. I helped with certain aspects of it, but I kinda stayed a lot out of it, you know? I just felt it wasn't my position to be that involved in the casting of the movie. I did reach out to certain people to try and get them to take parts, which didn't work out,

So, long story short, Katherine and Gale...interestingly enough when Gale found out that it was me, Gale was like, ?What? Him acting?? Gale didn't think it was the right choice. Gale was not...there was an issue about a week before, and Lisa said ?Well, Phillip IS Sammy, so you know, if you want to be Harold we want you to be Harold, but Phillip is Sammy.? I don't know to the extent of what went on, but I know Gale was not...as big a fan of me being Sammy as he should have been or could have been. I think Gale was just kind of ?How? What? What do you mean?? And again it is that whole actor thing...?Oh he's not an actor and that's such a challenging role, what do you mean?? And the reality is a lot of people in Hollywood wanted the role of Sammy. Sammy is THE role, you know what I mean?

qp: It is the role; it's the story. You are the storyline and that was a shock because I didn't know that. I didn't know who was the story. Was it Roy? Was it Harold? Was it ... you know, but you are the main character.

PB: That is open to interpretation. Some people look at it and say ... some people think Harold is the lead and people think Steve is the lead. I don't think my character is the lead, but I think my character is the heart.

qp: Yeah, well you told the story.

PB: He is the heart and I think a lot of people wanted that role so I think someone like Gale who considers himself a serious actor was kind of like ?Why are you casting this guy?? Gale only saw me as this fashion guy whose all ?La la la la?...so it's a lot to ask people to see you in a completely different light.

qp: Right.

PB: And I think it is very shocking for people to see the movie. I mean, the interesting thing is when I...people that have known me for years that when they see the movie they are ?Oh my god.? And people that have known you for ten years can watch the movie and ten minutes into the show or 20 minutes into the show go ?Oh my god, I totally forgot I was watching you.? But, Gale had a little...little issue with it, but it was actually great working with him because we just didn't...we got along very well at not getting along ... you know I mean? No, that's the wrong way to say it...Gale and I actually get along very, very well. We have a lot in common; we like each other ...

qp: They claim he's kinda shy?

PB: On the set we had to have a certain distance to us. Gale stays very in character and I stayed very in character, so we were very...whenever Gale would see me he would sort of be mean to me ... GALE wouldn't be mean to me, HAROLD would be mean to me when he would see me on set, you know what I mean? There was ...

qp: Because he was in character.

PB: Yeah, because he stayed in character, and I stayed in character and Gale stayed very removed from everybody on set, whereas others of us hung around more together. Judah and Michelle were very close and they were together all the time. Katherine and I spent a lot of time together. Michelle and Judah and I spent time together. Steve and I spent a bit of time together. But, Gale didn't spend much time with anybody. Gale kind of kept in character in essence as he was in the movie; he was kind of off to himself.

qp: Yeah, yeah...I heard he is known for being very shy and he kind of sticks to himself, but I don't know, I haven't met him yet. (laugh)

PB: He's...I like him a lot you know, I mean I really, really like him. I admire his work as an actor, but he was definitely intimidating because his character was intimidating. You know it was all about intimidation, so it would be different if he played the character of Steve. You know, with Steve's character we would have had a different relationship on set, I think. Whereas the way it was set up he was always the ostracized one - he was always the outsider - in the cast, he had to be...his character was...even his role with Michelle and Judah was a bit... He was a bully, so the bully is never fully accepted.

qp: Mmmm, I can see how the set could be?.interesting.

PB: Michelle was great to work with. Michelle just threw herself into the role. She had her little wig and she would just go to the mall and talk to people and get stories out of real people, and take girls to dinner and talk to them. (laughs) She just fell right into it, whereas Gale is from the South; he is from Georgia.

qp: Yes I know.

PB: His family...his mother is like a minister or something like that, a little bit of the born-again, so to speak.

qp: Oh, that's interesting; that could explain a lot.

PB: So, there are a lot of issues but he just has a brilliant performance. I just think his performance was great. I think he's great in it. I can't think of anybody who would be a better him. I'm trying to think of who we originally thought of for that role and I can't even remember now, but I just think he was great at it.

qp: Yeah the role Gale played seems to be something he loves to do. He has a few films of late that feature very dark and disturbing characters.

PB: Other roles in the movie you think of who??. but he's Harold to me. He's HAROLD.

qp: Phillip, thank you so very much, you rock! It was wonderful really chatting with you. My issue is to try and support gay activists, gay media, that kind of thing and that's our goal. It was a great experience.

PB: Oh, and if I do get on Oprah next week I'll let you know. [He did]

Philip Bloch everyone; live and in color!